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Introductory note: The following interview --with
its astonishing and proud assertion that Israelis are "Judeo-Nazis"-- has been
widely and falsely circulated on the internet as an old interview with Israeli
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (often under the title "Sharon is a frightening man").
It even achieved publication in the Rocky Mountain News and Scripps Howard
News Service.
This is yet another case of collective-delusion-by-internet and should be a warning to everyone quick to publish and forward information without verifying it first. In fact, while the interview is not with Sharon, it is worth reading (as long as it's properly attributed). It offers a glimpse into what's in the mind of those who rocket teeming refugee camps into rubble. Here's the interview's provenance, according to the mea culpa by Holger Jensen, the Rocky Mountain Times writer: "[The remarks] were made not by Sharon but another unnamed Israeli soldier who died 11 years ago.The interview in question was conducted by Amos Oz, one of Israel's leading authors and prominent in the Peace Now movement. He had access to many Israeli generals and politicians of that era but identified some of his interview subjects only by letters of the alphabet, leaving it up to his readers to decide who they were...." One suggestion, according to a letter to the Islamic Party of Britain (IPB), is that the interviewee is one "Mordechai (Motta) Gur, Chief of the General Staff of the Israel Defense Forces from 1974-1978. He is famed for announcing 'The Temple Mount is ours,' (Har HaBayit BeYaDaynu) in the 1967 War, while commanding the brigade that took back Jerusalem." Whoever the Israeli soldier whose words appear below, the interview reveals the
intellectual counterpart to Israel's know-no-bounds actions. Note especially the
Jew-hatred ("anti-Semitism") that runs throughout the interview --as in all Zionist
thinking. --SeeingRed
'We Are Judeo-Nazis' "You can call me anything you like. Call me a monster or a murderer. Just
note that I don't hate Arabs. On the contrary. Personally, I am much more at ease
with them, and especially with the Bedouin, than with Jews. Those Arabs we haven't
yet spoilt are proud people, they are irrational, cruel and generous. It's the Yids
that are all twisted. In order to straighten them out you have to first bend them
sharply the other way. That, in brief, is my whole ideology. "Call Israel by any name you like, call it a Judeo-Nazi state as does Leibowitz.
Why not? Better a live Judeo-Nazi than a dead saint. I don't care whether I am like
Ghadafi. I am not after the admiration of the gentiles. I don't need their love. I
don't need to be loved by Jews like you either. I have to live, and I intend to
ensure that my children will live as well. With or without the blessing of the Pope
and the other religious leaders from the New York Times. I will destroy
anyone who will raise a hand against my children, I will destroy him and his
children, with or without our famous purity of arms. I don't care if he is
Christian, Muslim, Jewish or pagan. History teaches us that he who won't kill will
be killed by others. That is an iron law. "Even if you'll prove to me by mathematical means that the present war in
Lebanon is a dirty immoral war, I don't care. Moreover, even if you will prove to
me that we have not achieved and will not achieve any of our aims in Lebanon, that
we will neither create a friendly regime in Lebanon nor destroy the Syrians or even
the PLO, even then I don't care. It was still worth it. Even if Galilee is shelled
again by Katyushas in a year's time, I don't really care. We shall start another
war, kill and destroy more and more, until they will have had enough. And do you
know why it is all worth it? Because it seems that this war has made us more
unpopular among the so-called civilised world. "We'll hear no more of that nonsense
about the unique Jewish morality, the moral lessons of the holocaust or about the
Jews who were supposed to have emerged from the gas chambers pure and virtuous. No
more of that. The destruction of Eyn Hilwe (and it's a pity we did not wipe out
that hornet's nest completely!), the healthy bombardment of Beirut and that tiny
massacre (can you call 500 Arabs a massacre?) in their camps which we should have
committed with our own delicate hands rather than let the Phalangists do it, all
these good deeds finally killed the bullshit talk about a unique people and of
being a light upon the nations. No more uniqueness and no more sweetness and light.
Good riddance." "I personally don't want to be any better than Khomeini or Brezhnev or Ghadafi
or Assad or Mrs. Thatcher, or even Harry Truman who killed half a million Japanese
with two fine bombs. I only want to be smarter than they are, quicker and more
efficient, not better or more beautiful than they are. Tell me, do the baddies of
this world have a bad time? If anyone tries to touch them, the evil men cut his
hands and legs off. They hunt and catch whatever they feel like eating. They don't
suffer from indigestion and are not punished by Heaven. I want Israel to join that
club. Maybe the world will then at last begin to fear me instead of feeling sorry
for me. Maybe they will start to tremble, to fear my madness instead of admiring my
nobility. Thank god for that. Let them tremble, let them call us a mad state. Let
them understand that we are a wild country, dangerous to our surroundings, not
normal, that we might go crazy if one of our children is murdered - just one! That
we might go wild and burn all the oil fields in the Middle East! If anything would
happen to your child, god forbid, you would talk like I do. Let them be aware in
Washington, Moscow, Damascus and China that if one of our ambassadors is shot, or
even a consul or the most junior embassy official, we might start World War Three
just like that !" ......We are talking while sitting on the balcony of the pretty country house
belonging to C. which is situated in a prosperous Moshav. To the west we see a
burning sunset and there is a scent of fruit trees in the air. We are being served
iced coffee in tall glasses. C. is about fifty years old. He is a man well known for his (military) actions.
He is a strong, heavy figure wearing shorts but no shirt. His body is tanned a
metallic bronze shade, the colour of a blond man living in the sun. He puts his
hairy legs on the table and his hands on the chair. There is a scar on his neck.
His eyes wander over his plantations. He spells out his ideology in a voice made
hoarse by too much smoking: "Let me tell me [sic] what is the most important thing, the sweetest fruit of
the war in Lebanon: It is that now they don't just hate Israel. Thanks to us, they
now also hate all those Feinschmecker Jews in Paris, London, New York, Frankfurt
and Montreal, in all their holes. At last they hate all these nice Yids, who say
they are different from us, that they are not Israeli thugs, that they are
different Jews, clean and decent. Just like the assimilated Jew in Vienna and
Berlin begged the anti-Semite not to confuse him with the screaming, stinking
Ostjude, who had smuggled himself into that cultural environment out of the dirty
ghettos of Ukraine and Poland. It won't help them, those clean Yids, just as it did
not help them in Vienna and Berlin. "Let them shout that they condemn Israel, that they are all right, that they did
not want and don't want to hurt a fly, that they always prefer being slaughtered to
fighting, that they have taken it upon themselves to teach the gentiles how to be
good Christians by always turning the other cheek. It won't do them any good. Now
they are getting it there because of us, and I am telling you, it is a pleasure to
watch. They are the same Yids who persuaded the gentiles to capitulate to the
bastards in Vietnam, to give it in to Khomeini, to Brezhnev, to feel sorry for
Sheikh Yamani because of his tough childhood, to make love not war. Or rather, to
do neither, and instead write a thesis on love and war. "We are through with all that. The Yid has been rejected, not only did he
crucify Jesus, but he also crucified Arafat in Sabra and Shatila. They are being
identified with us and that's a good thing! Their cemeteries are being desecrated,
their synagogues are set on fire, all their old nicknames are being revived, they
are being expelled from the best clubs, people shoot into their ethnic restaurants
murdering small children, forcing them to remove any sign showing them to be Jews,
forcing them to move and change their profession. "Soon their palaces will be smeared with the slogan: Yids, go to Palestine! And
you know what? They will go to Palestine because they will have no other choice!
All this is a bonus we received from the Lebanese war. Tell me, wasn't it worth it?
"Soon we will hit on good times. The Jews will start arriving, the Israelis will
stop emigrating and those who already emigrated will return. Those who had chosen
assimilation will finally understand that it won't help them to try and be the
conscience of the world. The 'conscience of the world' will have to understand
through its arse what it could not get into its head. The gentiles have always felt
sick of the Yids and their conscience, and now the Yids will have only one option:
to come home, all of them, fast, to install thick steel doors, to build a strong
fence, to have submachine guns positioned at every corner of their fence here and
to fight like devils against anyone who dares to make a sound in this region. And
if anyone even raises his hand against us we'll take away half his land and burn
the other half, including the oil. We might use nuclear arms. We'll go on until he
no longer feels like it... "...You probably want to know whether I am not afraid of the masses of Yids
coming here to escape anti-semitism smearing us with their olive oil until we go
all soft like them. Listen, history is funny in that way, there is a dialectic
here, irony. Who was it who expanded the state of Israel almost up the boundaries
of the kingdom of King David? Who expanded the state until it covered the area from
Mount Hermon to Raz Muhammad? Levi Eshkol. Of all people, it was that follower of
Gordon, that softie, that old woman. Who, on the other hand, is about to push us
back into the walls of the ghetto? Who gave up all of Sinai in order to retain a
civilised image? Beitar's governor in Poland, that proud man Menahem Begin. So you
can never tell. I only know one thing for sure: as long as you are fighting for
your life all is permitted, even to drive out all the Arabs from the West Bank,
everything. "Leibowitz is right, we are Judeo-Nazis, and why not? Listen, a people that gave
itself up to be slaughtered, a people that let soap to be made of its children and
lamp shades from the skin of its women is a worse criminal than its murderers.
Worse than the Nazis...If your nice civilised parents had come here in time instead
of writing books about the love for humanity and singing Hear O Israel on the way
to the gas chambers, now don't be shocked, if they instead had killed six million
Arabs here or even one million, what would have happened? Sure, two or three nasty
pages would have been written in the history books, we would have been called all
sorts of names, but we could be here today as a people of 25 million! "Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill
as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have
everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews, so
that they will be forced to run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up one or
two synagogues here and there, I don't care. "And I don't mind if after the job is done you put me in front of a Nuremberg
Trial and then jail me for life. Hang me if you want, as a war criminal. Then you
can spruce up your Jewish conscience and enter the respectable club of civilised
nations, nations that are large and healthy. What you lot don't understand is that
the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it. True, it could have
been finished in 1948, but you interfered, you stopped it. And all this because of
the Jewishness in your souls, because of your Diaspora mentality. For the Jews
don't grasp things quickly. If you open your eyes and look around the world you
will see that darkness is falling again. And we know what happens to a Jew who
stays out in the dark. So I am glad that this small war in Lebanon frightened the
Yids. Let them be afraid, let them suffer. They should hurry home before it gets
really dark. So I am an anti-Semite ? Fine. So don't quote me, quote Lilienblum
instead [an early Russian Zionist - ed.]. There is no need to quote an anti-Semite.
Quote Lilienblum, and he is definitely not an anti-Semite, there is even a street
in Tel Aviv named after him. [C. quotes from a small notebook that was lying on his table when I
arrived:] 'Is all that is happening not a clear sign that our forefathers and
ourselves...wanted and still want to be disgraced? That we enjoy living like
gypsies.' "That's Lilienblum. Not me. Believe me. I went through the Zionist literature, I
can prove what I say. "And you can write that I am disgrace to humanity, I don't mind, on the
contrary. Let's make a deal: I will do all I can to expel the Arabs from here, I
will do all I can to increase anti-semitism, and you will write poems and essays
about the misery of the Arabs and be prepared to absorb the Yids I will force to
flee to this country and teach them to be a light unto the gentiles. How about it
?" It was there that I stopped C.'s monologue for a moment and expressed the
thought passing through my mind, perhaps more for myself than for my host. Was it
possible that Hitler had not only hurt the Jews but also poisoned their minds? Had
that poison sunk in and was still active? But not even that idea could cause C. to
protest or raise his voice. After all, he [is] said to have never shouted under
stress, even during the famous operations his name is associated with.
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